Authors: Henry M. Paulson
Tags: #Global Financial Crisis, #Economics: Professional & General, #Financial crises & disasters, #Political, #General, #United States, #Biography & Autobiography, #Economic Conditions, #Political Science, #Economic Policy, #Public Policy, #2008-2009, #Business & Economics, #Economic History
Whatever we did, we felt that by Monday we had to give the market a signal that Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs weren’t going to fail. The SEC’s short-selling ban had bought them a grace period, but there was no time to waste.
Saturday, September 20, 2008
I arrived at the office at 9:15 a.m. Between the investment banks and the TARP legislation, I spent much of the day on the phone, taking multiple calls from, among others, both Barack Obama and John McCain.
Treasury and the White House held a midmorning conference call on legislative strategy. Our goal was to keep TARP as simple as possible while pressing for as broad a set of authorities as we could get. Treasury would lead the administration’s effort, with Neel Kashkari, Bob Hoyt, and Kevin Fromer negotiating with legislative staff on the Hill. We also had to make sure our proposal worked for the White House and the Office of Management and Budget.
My mind was focused on the danger to the investment banks. Tim and I had spoken early that morning, and several times afterward. My style, when I’m on the phone and pressed for time, is to race through things, then say, “Okay, bye.” If people don’t know me, they’ll find they’re talking to an empty line. I wound up calling Tim repeatedly that morning because I kept hanging up too quickly.
I had several discouraging calls with John Mack that weekend. With his firm on the verge of going down, he was under great pressure. But John desperately hoped to avoid selling Morgan Stanley. By this point, he and I both doubted that he could make a deal with the Chinese, although I reassured him I would raise the issue directly with Vice Premier Wang Qishan that evening. John was more optimistic about finding a strategic investor in another Asian giant, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, with whom he had begun talking. But I was skeptical that a Japanese bank could move quickly enough, given Morgan Stanley’s situation.
“You need a solution by the end of this weekend,” I reminded him.
“Hank, do you think I should sell Morgan Stanley?”
“The consequences of a Morgan Stanley failure are so great, John, I believe you should sell if you can.”
During the afternoon I called the White House to update the president. He had been pleased by the market’s rebound on Friday, which he took, along with Thursday’s rally, as a positive sign. But I had to reiterate my concerns for the two investment banks and Wachovia.
He asked whether we thought Morgan Stanley could find a buyer, and I told him that, in fact, we might need to have him talk to China’s president. Any such contact would have to be set up carefully, because the president of the United States should not appear to directly ask the president of China to invest in a U.S. institution. But if it looked like the Chinese wanted to do the deal, we might arrange a conversation. The president would thank Hu for the cooperation of the Chinese in working through the capital market issues with us. That should be enough to indicate how important this matter was to the U.S. Though the president did not commit to the plan right then, he told me to work with National Security Adviser Steve Hadley on it.
Kevin Warsh had begun an effort to get Wachovia to discuss a possible merger with Goldman Sachs, but he was making little progress. The North Carolina bank seemed to lack a sense of urgency. On Saturday afternoon I got involved.
Because he had only recently resigned as undersecretary for domestic finance, Wachovia CEO Bob Steel was not allowed to talk to Treasury on behalf of Wachovia, but I could speak with Wachovia’s directors. I called Aramark CEO Joe Neubauer, who was on Wachovia’s board. I’d worked with Joe and knew him to be financially sophisticated and a straight shooter.
“Joe, I just want to make sure you have the right sense of urgency,” I said. “The Goldman Sachs people are waiting in their offices, and no one has showed up.”
“Why does this have to be done so quickly?” he asked.
“Wachovia is likely to fail soon,” I said. “The market is very nervous about your mortgage portfolio. It’s much better to get ahead of this.”
When Joe called me back later, it was clear that my message had sunk in. I also talked a number of times to Lloyd Blankfein to urge him to be aggressive and creative. I explained, though, that a Goldman-Wachovia deal could not be done if it required too much help from the Fed.
I was at home at about 9:00 p.m. on Saturday night, waiting to speak with my old friend Wang Qishan on the other side of the world, when I needed to squeeze in a call to Montana senator Max Baucus. He wanted to speak with me about TARP and executive compensation. He had come up with an idea to use the tax code to control executive pay for TARP participants by eliminating corporate deductions for compensation above a certain income level.
It wasn’t a bad idea, but frankly I was losing my patience. There I was, trying to save the markets and about to have a difficult conversation with the Chinese, and once again my ear was being chewed off about compensation. “If people are incompetent, I fire them. They don’t get their golden parachutes. I’ve been tough on everyone,” I remember telling Baucus. I said I didn’t see the point in changing the tax laws to penalize the very banks that we wanted to entice into participating in our asset-buying program.
As I would discover in the coming days, the Democratic senator was not about to back down on this idea, which had its merits. Ultimately, we would accept it, but that night I was short with him because I needed to speak with Wang. It was a miracle I was on time for our 9:30 p.m. call.
I’d kept the Chinese vice premier briefed throughout the crisis, and although we were always friendly, on this night we kept pleasantries to a minimum. I talked about the market, and TARP, and my optimism that we would get the powers we needed. Then I brought up Morgan Stanley.
Wang had a high regard for John Mack and his company. As he knew, CIC was looking at increasing its 9.9 percent stake in Morgan Stanley. I said that we would welcome that. But Wang seemed lukewarm and concerned about the safety of any Chinese investment. I knew that CIC had lost heavily on its existing Morgan Stanley holding, and that had been a source of great controversy inside China. I told him that the U.S. government viewed Morgan Stanley as systemically important. But his unenthusiastic tone convinced me to drop the matter—China was already providing tremendous support to the U.S. by buying and holding Treasuries and GSE securities. If a deal for Morgan Stanley had been possible, Wang would have signaled it.
Later I called Steve Hadley at the White House and let him know that I didn’t believe China was going to invest in Morgan Stanley, and that the president’s call to Hu would be unnecessary. And when I got to John the next day and told him that the Chinese didn’t seem to be interested, he wasn’t surprised.
Sunday, September 21, 2008
All the Sunday talk shows had asked for me, and I had four interviews lined up. If there was ever a time to get a clear message out, it was now. Throughout my career I had made a point of answering questions directly. But it was different as a government official. You knew what you were going to be asked, but you had points you wanted to make, and you had to find a way to get them out no matter what questions came your way.
Even though she hadn’t slept much herself on Saturday night, Michele Davis arrived at my house early on Sunday to prep me for my round of interviews. “You don’t have to get your points out all at once,” she said. “You’ll have time to get them out over the course of the interview.” Before I went on
Meet the Press
, Tom Brokaw said the same thing.
“I’m going to be tough,” he said. “That’s the way you want it—fair but tough. Just remember, Hank, let me come to you.”
At the end of the interview, Brokaw noted that the problems with money market funds had spread to commercial paper and begun to threaten Main Street America. He asked, “The domino effect of this is going to be a no-growth economy, isn’t it?”
“That is why we need these powers. That is why we need Congress to move quickly,” I explained. “It pains me tremendously to have the American taxpayer be put in this position, but it’s better than the alternative.”
That afternoon Ben and I attended a well-intentioned but dysfunctional meeting in Tennessee senator Bob Corker’s offices with several of his fellow GOP senators from the Senate Banking Committee (and a couple more patched in on speakerphone). Corker, a constructive force in the Senate, wanted Ben and me to educate the group, but Jim Bunning hijacked the meeting. I had occasionally locked horns with Bunning, a cantankerous conservative, and this meeting was no exception. The Kentuckian clearly believed that the American people were not worried about our financial institutions or economic collapse. Ben and I both became frustrated with Bunning. The meeting was a complete waste of time for us, when time was more precious than anything.
The prospects of merging either Morgan Stanley or Goldman Sachs looked dim, despite the efforts of Ben, Tim, Kevin Warsh, and me. Tim had tried to initiate talks between Goldman and Citigroup, on the theory that Goldman would strengthen the commercial bank’s management team, but Citi was not interested. He had also taken the lead in promoting a JPMorgan acquisition of Morgan Stanley, but JPMorgan kept turning that suggestion down. Midafternoon, Ben and I joined Tim on a call with Jamie Dimon, and we unsuccessfully appealed to him again to acquire Morgan Stanley. Undaunted, we tried Mack, calling to ask him to approach Jamie Dimon one more time. Frustrated, John refused, explaining that he had already spoken with Jamie several times and wasn’t about to try again.
“A fire sale to JPMorgan would cost thousands of Morgan Stanley jobs,” he protested.
The fact is, had John called Jamie again, I’m sure the JPMorgan chief would still have said no. WaMu was Jamie’s top priority, as I had known for some time. (Within the week, JPMorgan would announce it was buying the Seattle-based institution.)
Goldman and Wachovia were interested in merging, but Goldman, like Morgan Stanley, had found big embedded losses in Wachovia’s real estate portfolio. A deal could not be completed without government assistance. The Fed was even considering a novel approach that might allow it to make a loan to support the deal that was secured not only with assets but with warrants to purchase equity in the combined company.
In the end, Ben, Tim, and I decided against supporting a Goldman-Wachovia merger. It would have been difficult to structure and would have presented complex and perhaps unresolvable legal and political challenges. My past association with Goldman would have created a problem with appearances.
More important, however, I couldn’t back a Goldman Sachs– Wachovia merger for a fundamental reason. With no deal in sight for Morgan Stanley, a Goldman merger would have increased the likelihood of a Morgan Stanley failure. If the market believed that Goldman Sachs needed to merge with a bank to survive, it would have lost even more confidence in an unmerged Morgan Stanley. Similarly, a JPMorgan acquisition of Morgan Stanley would have been destabilizing to Goldman Sachs, leaving it to stand alone, with every other major investment bank having either failed or been forced to merge.
Our job was above all to reduce the risk of these investment banks’ failing. After a weekend of frenetic activity, Ben, Tim, and I concluded that the course of action that would be the least likely to lead to the failure of either was our Plan B. The Fed needed to turn Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs into bank holding companies, with the expectation that both would find strategic investors to assure their survival. (Although this was far from clear at the time, I now believe we were very fortunate that we didn’t succeed in merging either one of them, because the last thing we need today is an even more concentrated financial services industry.)
On Sunday evening, I talked with Mack and Blankfein. John, who had become increasingly optimistic about a Mitsubishi UFJ deal, told me he hoped to announce an agreement in principle the next morning to sell up to 20 percent of Morgan Stanley to the Japanese company. I pledged to do anything I could to be helpful. Lloyd said he had been looking for strategic investors in Japan and China and come up empty. Furthermore, he was frustrated to have wasted so much time on Wachovia only to find that Fed assistance wasn’t available. Did I have any ideas?
“Lloyd, you need to find an investor. I won’t have any ideas you don’t have,” I said. “Look everywhere in the world to find an institution where you have a good relationship with someone who is very credible. Leave no stone unturned.”
He hesitated, considering the situation. Then he said quietly, “Just tell me: am I doing the right thing?”
A little while later, at 9:30 on Sunday night, September 21, the Federal Reserve announced that it had approved Morgan Stanley’s and Goldman Sachs’s applications to become bank holding companies.
The Wall Street I knew had come to an end.
Monday, September 22, 2008
B
y Monday morning our $700 billion rescue plan had made news around the world. I got to the office early and went to the Markets Room to check the credit spreads on Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs. To my relief, the investment banks’ CDS had steadied, although the LIBOR-OIS spread was still under pressure. But there was no question we were tiptoeing on the razor’s edge. We needed to get this legislation done fast.
It would have been challenging enough to push TARP through in a nonelection year, but politics truly complicated our efforts. In the midst of a fiercely contested presidential campaign, Republicans were anticipating heavy congressional losses and were keenly sensitive to voter frustration with the Bush administration and with Wall Street. On Sunday, Senator Obama, who had made a number of public statements expressing his qualified support for our approach, indicated in a CNBC interview that he would want to make sure I was involved in the transition if he won. Senator McCain had also been relatively supportive.