They moved on to a discussion of whether or not analysis were designed to make one fit into society, and if so, whether or not it destroyed rather than mended the individual psyche. Hugh argued that it destroyed, and that therefore people like Stephen, who were supposed to disapprove of society, ought also to disapprove of analysis. âWho ever said I disapproved of
society
?' said Stephen, in answer to this. âI've got nothing against it. Why should I disapprove of it?'
âBecause of capitalism and all that crap. And policemen and drugs. And the Third World.'
âI don't give a fuck about the Third World or capitalism,' said Stephen. âWhat on earth have they got to do with me? I don't know what you're talking about.'
âDon't you disapprove of capitalism?'
âNo. why should I? Do you?'
âOf course I don't.'
âWell then, why should I?'
There seemed to be a deadlock, and Hugh turned to Frances, and appealed to her to support his view that Freudian philosophy was both pernicious and out of date. âAs a woman, for God's sake, Frances,' he said, âsurely you object?'
âWell, sort of,' said Frances. The problem with Hugh was that he really was quite well informed in a muddled kind of way, he was probably quite well aware of the feminist arguments against Freudian faith, but he was too drunk to express himself. And she herself was rather confused about Freud's views of women. While not quite able to accept the theory of penis envy, she was more and more convinced that what every woman wanted was a man, and that what every man wanted was a woman, or that if they didn't want that they ought to, and that the only possibility of happiness and harmlessness on earth were to be found where Freud would have us find them, and that there was no way out of this, and that there was no point in being reasonable, life wasn't reasonable, motives weren't very mixed, they were horribly pure, appallingly unmixed, life wasn't at all complex, it was truly of an unfair, terrifying, rigid, irreducible, wicked, amoral simplicity. One just couldn't accept the simplicity. It was almost improper to accept it. She could see Hugh's point. She smiled, ate a nut, smiled again, and said, âIt's like religion. I object but I believe,' she said. âBecause that's how it is.'
âYou're a traitor to your kind,' said Hugh.
âI don't see that,' said Frances.
âYou're supposed to be a free woman,' he said. âYou
can't
believe in Freud. And anyway, you can't deny that analysis is designed to stop people behaving in anti-social ways. And that therefore it's just another prop to society.'
âThat's just Laingian crap,' said Stephen mildly. âAnd you're thinking of psychiatrists, not psychoanalysts, aren't you? Or perhaps you don't really know the difference?'
âDon't you be so fucking rude to me, son,' said Hugh, and relapsed briefly into silence, from which he emerged a minute or two later with loud and snorting laughter. âLaingian crap, eh?' he said. âSo Laing's out, is he? Who's in, then? Apart from Freud, of course?'
âOut, in,' said Stephen, wearily. âYou ought to be working for the
New Statesman
or the
Sunday Times
, not a bank. You could write those bits that tell people in their weekend cottages what they ought to be reading and what they ought to view on the telly and who's who in the roman a clef, and all that kind of thing. I've never known anyone so keen to keep up and so pleased to see other people on the way down.'
âIt's my age,' said Hugh, âIt's your fault. You've aged me prematurely. Fran, tell your daughter to take his daughter to bed, I can't stand all these children in the room. It makes me nervous.'
âI quite like them about,' said Frances, and it was true. She liked being in a room full of her own family, she felt safe with Natasha sitting there reading, with Daisy with the baby on her knee, with Hugh drunk and talkative, with Stephen limp and pleasant and intelligent. The light flickered from the fire, and glinted from the mirror on the wall, from the glasses, the gold rims of the coffee cups. It was so beautifully furnished, the cottageâeverything was brown and red and black, yet nothing was too new, too shiny. The loose covers of the large chairs and settee were worn, the rugs which Natasha had made herself over the years were a little shabby, the curtains were jumble-sale curtains, an old lady's curtains, with a muted pattern of birds and acorns on a beige background. It was all just so, it had been put together with love and care and trouble and expense (but not too much expense). A large bunch of teazels and honesty stood in a jar on a little table: a brown jug of dried grasses stood on another. A bookcase held weekend books and gamesâcards, Scrabble, Monopoly. A heap of baby toys stood in a corner. Two sheep skulls and a badger skull stood on a wooden chest. A copper kettle stood in the hearth. A bunch of dried flowers dangled from the low ceiling. It felt safe, it felt like the country, undisturbed, with the black night and no lights in it outside the small window panes, timeless. It was an old cottage, it felt old and safe like a secure infancy. Why can't I make my home like this, thought Frances, why is it that I am so restlessly always going away, what on earth is it that makes Natasha able to do this, and me not?
She thought of the flight to Adra, of the hotel in the desert. She thought that perhaps nothing would ever seem exciting again. She wondered if she were growing old. Though it had seemed a good idea when she had said she would go. To get right away, to somewhere different, to do something absurd. But the spirit had gone out of her. Where had it gone to? Why had she never aimed for Natasha's virtues, Natasha's composure?
Natasha must have been very unhappy, with Hugh as a husband. How could she be as tolerant as she looked?
The younger children went to bed. Natasha made another pot of coffee. She ground the beans in a square wooden grinder on her knee, and boiled the kettle on a rod over the fire. She had a special attachment, for doing this, given by a Swedish friend. How could one have the patience to have a Swedish friend, to write letters, to stay in touch?
Hugh stumbled out to get some logs for the fire, and Stephen quietly remarked to Frances that he had been reading Freud's
Beyond the Pleasure Principle
, had she ever? and did she believe that the self longed more for life than for death? Frances replied that she had indeed read that work a long time ago, and had forgotten much of what it said, but was it not the work in which Freud admitted that there was a possibility that all instincts were struggling to restore an earlier state of things, and that an earlier state being inanimate, all living things strove for death? More than that, said Stephen, he says that it's possible that the extraordinarily violent instincts of sex arose by accident and are not particularly ancient.
âCompared with the other yearnings of matter?'
âPrecisely,' said Stephen.
âSo to seek life was some silly new idea, the chance result of a Darwinian accident?'
âI suppose so.'
âAnd where does that leave us?' asked Frances.
âMore or less here,' said Stephen. He looked sad and intent.
âWhere does what leave us?' said Hugh, coming in with the logs.
âWe were talking of the death wish,' said Stephen. âAnd of things wanting to return to an earlier state.'
âSchopenhauer?'
âNo. Freud.'
âNot Freud again.' He poked a bit of log cautiously into the blazing middle of the fire. Frances watched him. She was thinking that any fancy that she could recall even a glimpse of her own childhood, of an ideal childhood, in this house, was an illusion, for it was not her past nor the cottage's past that surrounded her. The cottages had belonged to labourers, had been cold and dark. Her own past too had been quite otherwise. No wonder she could not recreate it. But what hopes should one have of any future? Should one merely regress to a field full of stones, one's own safe place? What about sex, what about salvation? The eels go back to the same beds, the swallows fly south in the summer. And she had gone back for a weekend to the flat Midlands. What had she found there? What held her like a stone round her neck, like a stone in her chest, heavy, solid, inert? A field of stones, a valley of bones.
âFreud says,' said Stephen, smiling, âthat the reason why things struggle so hard to stay alive against all the odds is that they want to die
in their own fashion
.'
âI wish my carp would struggle a little harder,' said Natasha, pouring the smoky coffee. âMore coffee, Frances? They keep floating up all bloated, poor darlings.'
âPerhaps they
like
dying there,' said Frances, joining with Natasha's wish to lighten the mood, afraid that she and Hugh, if this talk of death went on much longer, would start to brood on the death of their sister Alice, who had gassed herself for an unidentified reason. âThey obviously feel it's their destiny, to die in your pond. They float up quite happily.'
âAnd that little camellia that didn't take? I suppose that
liked
turning all brown and withered? I'm supposed to think it looks better like that, am I?'
âI thought it did look quite pretty,' said Frances, who had been shown the withered shrub that morning.
âIt's a new fashion, this admiration of death,' said Hugh. Really, how he managed to talk at all, let alone talk reasonably well, with all that liquor inside him, was a mystery. âIt's post-romantic fashion. People used to be frightened of it. Shrouds, skeletons, memento mori, all that. Now we stick the stuff around as decorations. Look at it. Dead flowers' (he waved dramatically at the teazels), âdeadâdead
skulls
. Look at it.'
âI remember finding that badger's skull,' said Natasha. âI'd just gone for a pee behind a tree, and there it was.'
âI thought death was supposed to be the modern taboo,' said Frances. The subject was, after all, irresistible.
âTaboo? Taboo? Balls, it's the fashion. Well, not quite, it's more the fashion to say it's a taboo. But people talk about it all the time. It's all over the cinema, all over the telly. Haven't you noticed? Books on the subject every five minutes. It's morbid, that's what it is.'
He poked the fire again, and escorted a panic-stricken woodlouse onto the floor. It scuttled off under a table. They all stared into the red-hot crater. The wood sighed and sang.
âI'd hate to be burned on a funeral pyre,' said Natasha, âlike those people in the Sudan you gave me a book about, Fran.'
âEven for me?' asked Hugh.
âOh, for you I've been burned alive a million times,' said Natasha.
âA brand from the burning. To Carthage then I came,' said Stephen.
âWho said that?'
âT. S. Eliot. Or St Augustine, as you prefer.'
âTo Carthage then I came. And to Adra I go,' said Frances.
âPerhaps they
liked
being burned alive,' said Frances. âBut I can't really believe it. Can you?'
âNo, not really.
You
ought to believe it, though.
You're
supposed to understand the minds of ancient races.'
âI'll tell you a very sobering thing that somebody said to me the other day,' said Frances. âYou know that quotation, I forget who said it, about
“In death we join the great majority
”? Well, I've always thought that was very nice, and I said it to this fellow who was going on about how his mother was dying. And do you know what he said? He said it wasn't true any longer. He said there were more people alive now than ever have been alive in the whole history of mankind before, all put together. Do you think it can possibly be true? And if so, what a dreadful notion.'
âIt would make one feel doubly left out,' said Hugh. âDead, with all those teeming millions still having an endless rave-up. Horrible.'
âIt can't be true, can it, statistically?' said Natasha. âI must ask your mother. She's the population expert, she should know.'
âShe'd
say
it was true even if it wasn't,' said Hugh. âYou'd better not put the idea in her head. She
is
an irresponsible woman.'
âIn this exhibition at the Hayward Gallery,' said Stephen, âthere was this painting by Salvator Rosa of Empedocles jumping into Etna. Did you see it, Frances? I think it was you that told me to go.'
âYes, I saw it. Did you like the exhibition?'
âI liked that one best.'
âDid you really? I liked the philosopher reading under a tree. He had bare feet.'
âYou
have
got a peaceful nature, Aunt Frances. I liked Empedocles.'
âWhatever did he jump into Etna for?' asked Natasha. âWas that the death wish getting too strong for him?'
âHe jumped in to prove he was a god,' said Frances. âHe'd been boasting.'
âAnd was he a god?'
âNo, of course not.'
âHow do you know?'
âReally, Natasha, what a question. You don't believe in gods, do you?' Natasha laughed, shifting her position in her chair, wriggling the toes of the foot she had been sitting on.
â
I
may not,' she said, âbut maybe
they
did. Anyway, how do they know he wasn't one?'
âI can't remember. How do they know, Stephen?'
âThey found his sandal,' said Stephen. âThrown up out of the crater. A bronze sandal.'
âAnd what did that prove
V
âIt proved he'd been burned to a cinder, I suppose,' said Hugh.
âI don't see
why
,' said Natasha. âWhy ever does it prove that?'
âI suppose the theory was that he'd leap up again out of the molten lava like a phoenix. And as he didn't, he was assumed dead.'
âReasonably enough,' said Hugh.