Read Where Were You?: America Remembers the JFK Assassination Online
Authors: Gus Russo,Harry Moses
From that we read Vince Bugliosi’s book. Now understand: Bugliosi is a prosecutor. He’s not an author or a journalist per se; he is a prosecutor. That’s how he wrote this book. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go through the facts of what went on that day and all the theories that slowly get broken down. Eventually questions are answered every step of the way that always bring it back to this concept: There is an evil aspect of human nature. There is a sad part of ourselves that is broken up into individuals, and when it lands in an individual as it did with Lee Harvey Oswald, you have to throw up your hands and essentially curse divine providence that makes this happen.
There’s an amazing story I read about Robert Oswald. If you ask your average American about Lee Harvey Oswald’s brother, no one knows that Lee Harvey Oswald had a brother who lived in Dallas, who hung out with his brother all the time, who saw him regularly and knew, “My brother’s a weird guy.” I’m paraphrasing here, but this is essentially what he was. I don’t know why Robert Oswald never appears in any of these conspiracy theories, but he picked up his brother when he moved to Dallas with his Russian bride. Lee Harvey Oswald went to Russia. He was a big celebrity for a while, then he stopped being a big celebrity, and he was just working at a radio factory in Minsk. I’m going to guess that anybody who spends a lot of time in the 1960s working at a radio factory in Minsk might want to get out of Minsk. His beautiful wife, who was also working in Minsk and probably wanted to get out of there, and Lee Harvey Oswald came back from Russia. They had been interviewed a little bit, and he was used to being the guy who had a microphone shoved in front of him. When
he went to Russia, he had all the Russian media saying, “You are a true wonderful man, and thank you for coming, and you’re a bit of a hero, and isn’t it great to have you here?”
When Robert Oswald picked up his brother at Love Field, when he flew in from New York City, Lee Harvey Oswald came off the plane and said to his brother, “Where are the reporters?” He was anticipating his return to Dallas as being a much heralded news story, that he would be something of a big shot. Robert said, “Lee, you’re just some guy.” You hear that kind of story, which tells me, as an actor and as a guy who tells stories, that is human nature. It’s no surprise, nor should it be any shock when you come around to the idea of, well, that’s the man who shot the president of the United States.
Parkland Hospital was/is staffed by folks who were good at what they did. Everything was standard operating procedure. There was a staff on who came in, and all they did was have their morning coffee and flirted with each other, and the day wasn’t going to be anything more unique. They weren’t going to see the president of the United States, even though it was in the papers; it was on the radio. They were just going about their day. Lo and behold: Before they knew it, the shot president of the United States was in their care, was in those rooms, was in their hospital, and was forever a part of their lives, and only a few hours later the man who shot the president of the United States was in their hospital and in their lives and in their care.
History is made up of those types of witnesses who weren’t the principal players, who weren’t the strategists, who weren’t the people that made it happen. They were literally the witnesses who saw it all come down. If my life was changed as a seven-year-old who found out about it because the principal walked into our art class in the afternoon, their lives were forever altered by the fact that they were good at what they did. I don’t think you could find a better microcosm or a better example of what happened to the United States of America as a whole than what happened to those people in Parkland Hospital that day. That’s a fascinating story. There are four stories that we tell in
Parkland
. It’s about the people who were there, but it’s also about Robert Oswald. It’s about James Hosty, the FBI guy who had a brush with Lee Harvey Oswald a few weeks prior. It’s
also about Abe Zapruder, whose life was turned upside down by the fact that he had this new movie camera with the latest version of Kodachrome film inside it.
I don’t think you could find a better microcosm or a better example of what happened to the United States of America as a whole than what happened to those people in Parkland Hospital that day.
I remember reading what could we have expected from the rest of the Kennedy presidency. He was having trouble getting legislation passed in Congress. He had this brewing hot spot that was halfway across the world in Vietnam and Indochina. He would’ve—might’ve even—had a tough reelection campaign in 1964, but at the end of the day, that doesn’t nearly fill me with the same brand of satisfaction as going back through the actual historical record, because what really happened, to me, is always infinitely more fascinating and never stops being a source for the mirror being held up to human nature.
I was fascinated by the movie
JFK
. I thought it was great; I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was filled with moments of very sharply perceptive questioning. At the same time, it’s filled with more hooey than you could possibly imagine. Oliver Stone is a great filmmaker—he won the Academy Award for that film, and rightly so, because it’s one crackerjack piece of filmmaking. But there’s a scene in it where Donald Sutherland, as Mr. X, is explaining in the grimmest
veritas
possible and asking the question, “Why was the Washington, DC, telephone exchange shut down immediately after the assassination of the president of the United States?” You know why it was shut down? Because everybody was on the phone! All the circuits were busy—something that happened all the time if everybody tried to use the phone. You would pick up, and you would dial, and they’d say, “all our lines are down. All of our circuits are busy. Please try again later.” You got the recording. That’s part of that fun thing
that says, “Here’s something that happened, and isn’t there a diabolical answer to this very simple question?” Well, not a diabolical answer at all. It’s loaded with those types of things that you have to chalk up as just being part of the parlor game: The Assassination of the President of the United States.
Making a movie of the Kennedy years? This comes along a lot in my business: Can making this story up—re-creating it, having look-alikes and all the other necessities of making a theatrical film—be better than just the greatest documentary ever made, that you can do on
American Masters
, that
NBC News
could do about the thousand-day presidency of John F. Kennedy? I don’t think you could do as good a job of it. You’re going to be falling down into some degree of melodrama, which at best can be quasi-accurate, and that’s not as good as being accurate or quite simply turgid. I’ll spend my time other ways.
His personal weaknesses haven’t altered my opinion of him. No, we’re all cracked vessels, including all the presidents of the United States. We had a guy who was complicit with the press in hiding the fact that he was in a wheelchair: Franklin Delano Roosevelt—and he drank. He loved his martinis at the end of the day. Not all that stuff goes into the hopper of “Human beings are odd, folks.” Nobody’s perfect; we all have feet of clay, and it’s only some other kind of outrage machines that want to hold up the worst aspects of our weaknesses as being the definition of our total selves. Yeah, without a doubt, those Kennedy years could be described as being racy all right, but so are our baseball heroes. They end up having the same sort of individual lives that don’t diminish the fact of what they meant to this society and what they mean to us in our individual concepts
of them: Kennedy and his family, extraordinarily wealthy, very charismatic and handsome, and dysfunctional to a fault, yes.
We’re all cracked vessels, including all the presidents of the United States.
That what’s great about it, and one of the reasons we’re so fascinated is that they’re a clan. They have this great commonality in that they were part of that generation—Joseph and Rose Kennedy gave birth to this phalanx of people who ended up doing incredible things and being part of us all. From that comes this concept of service that you render. Not all of them, not all of the Kennedys have gone into the same degree of public service, but that first or second generation did. They have massive amounts of sad history and, at the same time, of incredibly impressive achievement, and yet we’ll be turning to them again and again for aspects of our human nature. The best and the worst is all right on display right there.
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CKNOWLEDGMENTS
The compiling editors would like to thank NBC News senior executive producer David Corvo, former news president Steve Capus, and veteran correspondent Tom Brokaw for their initial faith in the television project on which this book is based. At 30 Rock, everyone working on the
Where Were You?
special performed with tireless professionalism and good humor. They include coordinating producer Clare Duffy, associate producer Loren Burlando, coordinating producer Kallie Ejigu, associate producer Nick Johnson, and talent coordinating producer Jennifer Sherwood. The members of our technical crew likewise performed smoothly at the top of their craft, especially Greg Andracke, Rich White, Shawn Sullivan, Rick Albright, and Everett Wong. Endeavors such as this could not exist without the able assistance of staff interns, and we were most fortunate to have the services of Amanda Hari, Courtney Marmon, Kaila Ward, and Charlotte Lewis. Show editor Pascal Akesson crunched a massive amount of material into a seamless finished product, and Kathleen Berger at Transcript Associates saw that accurate interview transcripts were turned around quickly. Special thanks go to NBC News correspondent Anne Thompson for the use of her pad.
N. S. Bienstock Talent Agency found a home for the book and then performed yeomen’s work in negotiating a complex multiparty agreement. At NSB, special thanks go to agents Steve Sadicario (TV) and Paul Fedorko (book) and able assistant Sammy Bina.
At Lyons Press, editor James Jayo, project editor Meredith Dias, copyeditor Paulette Baker, and publicist Laurie Kenney all performed remarkably on a seemingly impossible deadline. Research assistance and general support for the project were supplied by “Genius” Lucas Lechowski, Dr. Agnieszka Szostakowska, Aaron Sichel, Dale Myers, Jay Greer, Brendan Kennedy, Karen Stefanisko, Randy Lehrer, and the countless archivists and librarians whose expertise and assistance make these projects possible. Jem, Watson, and Z kept things in perspective as always.
Last but not least, sincere thanks go to all of the interviewees who trusted us with their memories.
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NDEX
“Abraham, Martin, and John
,” 343
Alaskan Health Care Federations
, 114
Aldrin, Buzz
, 306
Alger, Bruce
, 87
Alliance for Progress
, 115
, 215
, 220
, 226
Alpha 66 Movement
, 160
Alsop, Joe
, 319
Altman, Larry
, 169
AM/LASH
, 100–101
American Trial Lawyer’s Association
, 288
Amnesty International USA
, 323
Andrews, Dean
, 268
Anglin, Patsy
, 42
Apollo 13
, 391
Apollo-Soyuz Test Project
, 311
Arcacha, Sergio
, 158–60
Arlington Cemetery
, 93–94
Armstrong, Neil
, 306
Assassination Records Review Board
, 290
B’nai Brith
, 350
Bailey, F. Lee
, 289
Baker, Ella
, 141
Balaban, Judy
, 321
Baldwin, James
, 324–25
Banister, Guy
, 370
Barker, Eddie
, 5
Barnett, Ross
, 178–79
Barnicle, Mike
, 129–33
Bartes, Frank
, 155
Bartlett, Charlie
, 239
Bay of Pigs
, 75–76
, 80
, 96
, 101–2
, 118
, 150–51
, 156
, 162
, 169
, 212
, 270
, 290
, 304
, 363
, 373
Belafonte, Harry
, 134–44
Bertrand, Clay/Clem
, 255–56
, 268
, 371
Biden, Joseph
, 221–25
Bill Stuckey Radio Show
, 150
Birch Society
, 86
Birch, John
, 365
Black Panthers
, 141
Blakey, G. Robert
, 290
Bond, Julian
, 141
Born on the Fourth of July
, 369
, 371
Bowles, Chester
, 246
Braden, Tom
, 177
Branch, Taylor
, 102
Brennan, Ella
, 264
Bretos, Miguel
, 160
Brewer, John, ix
, 46–56
Bringuier, Carlos
, 150–64
Britt, May
, 357
Brokaw, Tom
, vii–x
Brown, H. Rap
, 272
Brown, Harold
, 212
Buchanan, Pat
, 177–83
Bugliosi, Vincent
, 247
, 287–299
, 392
Burnett, Carol
, 337
Burrows, Butch
, 49
Califano, Joseph, ix
, 93–103
Camelot
, vii
, 101–2
, 181
, 233
, 240
, 242
, 314
, 328
, 337
, 376
Caplan, Gerald
, 112–13
Carlson, Richard
, 366
Caro, Robert
, 16–29
Carpenter, Scott
, 308
Carrico, Jim
, 11
Carroll, Dan
, 222
Carroll, Dick
, 245
Carter, Jason
, 212
Carter, Jimmy
, 146
, 149
, 166
, 209–213
, 232
Cassini, Oleg
, 318
Castro, Fidel, ix
, 75–76
, 96–101
, 121
, 150–51
, 154–58
, 162–63
, 173
, 242
, 304
, 367
Castro, Manolo
, 157
CBS News
, 5–7
Chamberlain, Neville
, 236
Chicago, Illinois
, 145
, 195–97
Chris Matthews Show, The
, 232
Christenberry, Herbert
, 258–59
, 266
Churchill, Winston
, 236
CIA
, 79
, 96–97
, 99–101
, 103
, 142
, 157
, 278
, 281
, 284
, 292
, 297–99
, 344
, 366–67
, 371
Civil Rights Act, x
, 27–28
, 29
, 88
, 101–2
, 123
, 145
, 351–52
, 384
civil rights movement
, 28
, 116
, 123
, 125
, 134–35
, 139–41
, 147–49
, 171–72
, 178–79
, 200
, 215–16
, 218
, 236
, 254
, 350
Clark, Kemp
, 10–11
Clark, Ramsey
, 94
Clark, Septima
, 147
Clayburgh, Jill
, 354
Clinton Global Initiative
, 214
Clinton, Bill
, 146
, 149
, 195
, 199
, 203
, 214–20
Coe, Doyle
, 218
Cohen, Wilbur
, 104
Cold War
, 55
, 74–75
, 77
, 80
, 101
, 147
, 175
, 202
, 212–23
, 216
, 236
, 303
, 339–40
, 366
, 370
, 389
Collins, Dorothy
, 347
Collins, Judy
, 347–53
Communism
, 75
, 77–78
, 80
, 203–4
, 222
, 303
, 363
Connally, John
, 14
, 22
, 24
, 278
Connally, Nellie
, 22
conspiracy theories
, 65
, 71–72
, 121–22
, 173
, 182
, 229
, 242
, 290–93
, 296–99
, 342
, 344
, 355
, 378
, 390–92
Cubans
, 98–101
, 122
, 269
, 278
, 282
, 290–91
, 391
, 158–59
, 162–63
government
, 277–82
, 295
, 342
, 366–67
, 369
, 371
grassy knoll
, 292
H. L. Hunt
, 207–8
Mafia
, 122
, 161
, 269
, 272–75
, 278
, 292
, 294–95
, 278–99
, 342
, 391
Oliver Stone’s
, 365–67
, 369
, 371–72
“a powerful domestic force
,” 247–49
right-wing forces
, 79
, 203
, 207
, 164
triangulation of crossfire
, 255
, 265
Cook, Jack Kent
, 358
Costa-Gavras
, 331
Costner, Kevin
, 161
, 164
, 182
, 267
Cotton, Dorothy
, 147
Cottrell, Sterling
, 96
Crawford, Joan
, 316–17
Cronkite, Walter
, 99
, 210
, 242
, 262
Cruz, Miguel
, 152
Cuba
, 75–77
, 96–102
, 150
, 163–64
, 167–68
, 173
, 222
, 304
, 373–74
Cuban brigades
, 96
, 99
, 156
, 290–91
Cuban Missile Crisis
, 13
, 19
, 27
, 29
, 55
, 75
, 119
, 125
, 169
, 175
, 178
, 183
, 218
, 220
, 223
, 236
, 270
, 349
, 355
, 375
Cuban Revolutionary Council
, 158
Cuban Student Directorate
, 151
Daley, Bill
, 195–202
Daley, John
, 199–201
Daley, Richard
, 195–96
, 198–202
Daley, Rich
, 198
Dallas
, 88
Dallas Cowboys
, 88
Dallas Morning News
, 86
Dallas Police Department
, 36–37
, 54
, 58
, 293–94
, 296
Dallas Times Herald
, 81–82
, 84–85
political climate
, 60
, 81
, 86–88
, 204–5
reaction to assassination
, 8–9
, 54
, 86–88
Dalleck, Robert
, 15
Dassin, Jules
, 140
Davis, Sammy Jr.
, 357
Day-Lewis, Daniel
, 381
Dealey Plaza
, 34
, 282
, 291
, 293
, 296
, 369
, 384
, 391
Decker, Bill
, 292
de Gaulle, Charles
, 109–10
Delon, Alain
, 329
Dempsey, Jack
, 263
De Niro, Robert
, 354–55
De Palma, Brian
, 354
Diamond, Irving
, 257
Diem, Ngo Dinh
, 98–99
, 175
, 178
, 182–83
, 200
DiSalle, Mike
, 238
Doar, John
, 215
Dolan, Joe
, 96
Dominican Republic
, 173
Dougherty, Jack
, 32–33
Duchin, Peter
, 320
Duke, Angie
, 108–9
Dullea, Keir
, 330
Dungan, Ralph
, 107
Ebbins, Milt
, 245
Edwards, India
, 238
Eisenhower, Dwight
, viii
, 66
, 96
, 101
, 109–10
, 116
, 149
, 166
, 193
, 233
, 304
, 309
, 320
, 337
, 363
Encyclopedia Brittanica
, 282
English, Joe
, 104–14
Epstein, Edward J.
, 71
Ethiopia
, 173
Evers, Medgar
, 140
Executive Action
, 208
Fair Play for Cuba Committee
, 150
, 154
Fall, Bernard
, 230
Fallaci, Oriana
, 162
Faulkner, William
, 262
Fay, Kathy
, 189–94
Fay, Paul “Red” Jr.
, 184–85
, 188
, 189–94
, 240
Fay, Paul III
, 189–94
Fay, Sally
, 189–91
Fehmer, Marie
, 26
Feldman, Charlie
, 315–17
Ferrie, David
, 158–59
, 249
, 256
, 265
, 272–73
, 370–71
Fink, Pierre
, 371
Finnegan, Jean
, 221
“500 Miles
,” 338
folk music
, 336
, 339
, 343
, 347
, 349
, 352–53
Fonda, Afdera
, 319
Fonda, Jane
, 329–34
Foreign Relations Committee
, 221
Forest Hills High School
, 277
Fort Worth Press
, 81
Fort Worth, Texas
, 81–82
, 87
, 391
Franciosa, Judy
, 321
Frazier, Buell, ix
, 30–40
Freedom of Information Act
, 99
, 290
Freedom Riders
, 134